Are Canadians a bunch of Stoners?

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Post by µ¿ z3®ø™ » 04 Oct 2003, 08:22

doktor242 wrote:i bet they like to smoke a fat one and do some curling.
OOH!!!!!!
curling. (whistful sigh)
everything goes better with.......
see our prime minister, jean "stoner mad dog" cretien, didn't wanna go to gee dubya's little barbeque in iRack 'cuz they wanted to keep canadian troops in afghanistan. better hash.

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Post by Stoney-Bones » 04 Oct 2003, 08:59

Canada seems pretty cool to me. I have seen beautiful pictures of the Canadian Rockies and part of British Columbia! You know like 50% of the weed in America comes from B.C. Canada (the statistic is similar to this). Decrimilization seems like the way to go, as full legalazation would of course allow marketing or pot and alot of other bullshit. Decrimilazation just plain out makes sense if you smoke weed or not surely you know someone who does and would proably agree with me that there is no need to spend ridiculouse amount of jail time and taxes on keeping some stoner in jail. I am finishing Graphic Design School this year and am looking to go to the Vancouver Film School for there sound design program. http://www.vfs.com/curriculum.php?program_id=11

It is 48 week intensive program in which you leave with a DigiDesign Pro Tools certification. Check it out if you haven't heard of VFS it looks like the best program for the kind of sound design education I am looking for. Plus I can smoke all the B.C. Bud I can buy and will have to wake up 5 days a week to learn about physics sound, synthesis, Reaktor, sync video, Pro Tools, 5.1 surround sound mixing & encoding, & mastering, and towards the end you get to use those hot Digidesign 48-channel ProControl's with a movie screen for synching your audio sequence with the video! oh man oh man....I cant wait to get up to that place! Fuck Art History and Writing and Literature! Graphic Design is cool but there are lots of down falls to going to school for it as it is kind of a trend now which means more competition and you have to take alot of classes that dont seem relevant to (art history, literature, etc.) design. I am gonna finish this year up and than go up to CAnada to attend VFS and if things dont work out financialy with sound design I can always fall back on good ole Graphic Design. Although I would much rather be starring at Logic/Pro-Tools every morning than Illustrator/Photoshop :)

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Post by µ¿ z3®ø™ » 04 Oct 2003, 09:40

stoney-bones, um...... er.......
watch the wheelchair pot.
learning and short term memory loss......
um.......
i forget.

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Post by Organism » 04 Oct 2003, 10:56

Rt. Honourable Prime Minister Jean Chretien wrote:I don't know what is marijuana. Perhaps I will try it when it will no longer be criminal. I will have my money for my fine and a joint in the other hand," he said in an interview with the Winnipeg Free Press.
HAhaha. I don't know what is marijuana either.

It's too bad he's retiring, because we won't be reading any more of these bizarre quotations.

I remember when he first became PM. He said after his first private meeting with the leader of the official opposition (Preston Manning), that "Off the ice, you can have a beer. But, there was no beer this morning!"

That was in 1993, just after he declared that "It is now time to put our constitutional problems in the fridge."

I used to think it was because English was his second language that he said such strange things. But, I've been told, that when he speaks French, the things he says are equally as bizarre.
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Post by Tibasse » 04 Oct 2003, 12:03

I used to think it was because English was his second language that he said such strange things. But, I've been told, that when he speaks French, the things he says are equally as bizarre.[/quote]

That's right!
I think it's in the head, not in the mouth!!!!!!!!

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Post by dmethods » 04 Oct 2003, 12:09

Stoney-Bones wrote:Canada seems pretty cool to me. I have seen beautiful pictures of the Canadian Rockies and part of British Columbia! You know like 50% of the weed in America comes from B.C. Canada (the statistic is similar to this). Decrimilization seems like the way to go, as full legalazation would of course allow marketing or pot and alot of other bullshit. Decrimilazation just plain out makes sense if you smoke weed or not surely you know someone who does and would proably agree with me that there is no need to spend ridiculouse amount of jail time and taxes on keeping some stoner in jail. I am finishing Graphic Design School this year and am looking to go to the Vancouver Film School for there sound design program. http://www.vfs.com/curriculum.php?program_id=11

It is 48 week intensive program in which you leave with a DigiDesign Pro Tools certification. Check it out if you haven't heard of VFS it looks like the best program for the kind of sound design education I am looking for. Plus I can smoke all the B.C. Bud I can buy and will have to wake up 5 days a week to learn about physics sound, synthesis, Reaktor, sync video, Pro Tools, 5.1 surround sound mixing & encoding, & mastering, and towards the end you get to use those hot Digidesign 48-channel ProControl's with a movie screen for synching your audio sequence with the video! oh man oh man....I cant wait to get up to that place! Fuck Art History and Writing and Literature! Graphic Design is cool but there are lots of down falls to going to school for it as it is kind of a trend now which means more competition and you have to take alot of classes that dont seem relevant to (art history, literature, etc.) design. I am gonna finish this year up and than go up to CAnada to attend VFS and if things dont work out financialy with sound design I can always fall back on good ole Graphic Design. Although I would much rather be starring at Logic/Pro-Tools every morning than Illustrator/Photoshop :)

-stoney

Hey Stoney (um..... :wink:)

Well congrats on making a choice to come to Vancouver. I think you'll will find the city and other outlying regions to be one of the the most beautiful places in the world to live. (no shittin - Vancouver was rated second most liveable city in the world behind some town in Austria/Switzerland I think :roll: just last year ) .

Yes I agree that pot should also be decriminalized but in fact, here in BC, it's very liberal and basically treated like that already by most law enforcement agencies (i.e. if you have a small amount on you for personal the worst they will do is fine you like 100$). Their main concern is the connection to organized crime that exports alot of this stuff to the US as well as the hard drug use which is rampant in certain parts of Vancouver ( i.e. try the downtown eastside, actually a close walk from VFS :lol: ). This problem is mainly related to poverty and availability of cheap drugs in this particular area (like any larger city). Not the progression from smoking weed.

Anyways, moving away from the negative; I attended VFS in 2000 and thoroughly enjoyed myself there. I actually took their New Media course (now defunct), which has recently been divided into two separate programs Interactive Media, and the course your interested in, Sound Design for Visual Media. I've checked their website recently http://www.vfs.com/fullTime.php?program_id=11 and drooled over some of the new equipment since I was there. They definitely strive to stay on top of the technology.....please refer to osxaudio.com if you have any questions?!! :lol: Yeah theres some excellent teachers there also.

As far as employment in sound design goes, I think your best bet is to get into post production sound for film as there are alot of movie and tv series shot around town (hollywood north is the name). Also you might wanna try some volunteer stuff right away at some of the local studios. Studios like Warehouse and mushroom are world class. Hey if that doesn't work, like you said, you can always fall back on Graphic Design :roll:. I'm actually doing webdesign, flash, graphics and programming as my day job.

When I took my course it was only 40 weeks and cost me around $18,000. Within two years time their fulltime programs are now around $27,000 and are 8 weeks longer. All I would suggest is take the program sooner rather than later.

Hey if your up in Vancouver you'll have to make the hour and half ferry ride over the Vancouver Island maann......and smoke some of dat shit with me. Also make a trip out to Long Beach on the west coast. Definitely worth it! Yep, when your done work for the day or need a little creative motivation, smoke a phat and take a walk on the beach. aaahhhhh!!!! good times. 8) high times.... (thats right, everyone in the T-dot wishes they had it this nice) Anyways signing off

Feel free to ask me any further questions you might have.

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Post by dockthepod » 04 Oct 2003, 21:05

dmethods,

Any idea of the job market in vancouver right now? I'm looking for somewhere to move and have always heard that vancouver was quite nice. I'm an american citizen and am not really sure of the complications (visas, etc) of working in a "foreign" (I spent most of my life pretty close to canada in idaho) country.

I'm a programmer/system administrator... not a great time to graduate, admittedly. Is Vancouver a good place for this sort of thing?
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Post by Kestral » 05 Oct 2003, 21:37

dockthepod wrote:dmethods,

Any idea of the job market in vancouver right now? I'm looking for somewhere to move and have always heard that vancouver was quite nice. I'm an american citizen and am not really sure of the complications (visas, etc) of working in a "foreign" (I spent most of my life pretty close to canada in idaho) country.

I'm a programmer/system administrator... not a great time to graduate, admittedly. Is Vancouver a good place for this sort of thing?
Oh great. Not only are Americans shipping their own jobs out to India. Now they want to steal Canadian jobs. :roll:
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Post by dockthepod » 05 Oct 2003, 22:55

Kestral wrote: Oh great. Not only are Americans shipping their own jobs out to India. Now they want to steal Canadian jobs. :roll:
well, we wouldn't want to just fuck ourselves over by slashing taxes, bombing people, rolling back privacy, etc... gotta share the fucking over with the rest of the world.

we can't have anyone to think we americans are greedy :wink:

the reason i'm interested in vancouver is because i'm rather displeased with the direction this country is heading and perceive canada to be more in line with my views.
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Post by Moonunit » 05 Oct 2003, 23:10

Hey Guys,

I am a graduate of the first ever VFS Sound Design class. I am now currently ADR recording on set, doing audio post and producing bands. Only a few of the grads are actually getting paid. Vancouver's audio industry is all who you know. I am lucky to know a lot of these people because of my previous music connections. As far as the VFS program goes, it was the best training of my life! I am Digi-Certified in music and Post, and have experience editing and mixing (5.1) an entire film. I would highly recommend the program if you are serious about getting a job in audio. And "YES", our weed is the best!

Cheers,
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Post by jbessom » 05 Oct 2003, 23:13

yeah. agreed. I think a lot of people feel that way. problem is, shouldn't we try to make this country just as cool? we've got the resources, just seems like everyone is asleep at the wheel. having been to more progressive places socially, like vancouver B.C., and Amsterdam, NL......I can only imagine what it would be like if things were more like that here. and I just hate that "if you don't like it, leave" mentality. phew....maybe I should give up and leave.

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IT in BC

Post by dmethods » 06 Oct 2003, 10:34

dockthepod wrote:dmethods,

Any idea of the job market in vancouver right now? I'm looking for somewhere to move and have always heard that vancouver was quite nice. I'm an american citizen and am not really sure of the complications (visas, etc) of working in a "foreign" (I spent most of my life pretty close to canada in idaho) country.

I'm a programmer/system administrator... not a great time to graduate, admittedly. Is Vancouver a good place for this sort of thing?
Hey dockthepod,

Yeah I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed coming up to Vancouver. I'm actually over on Vancouver Island so everything here is just a bit slower. The IT industry is decent in BC especially in Vancouver/ Kelowna Okanagon. Obviously it wasn't like it was in 1999/2000 right before the big pop but it's still growing. There are several larger IT companies based out of vancouver such as Blast Radius, Crystal Decisions, Radiant Communications, Electronic Arts (EA), Bayleaf Software, ACD Systems (victoria), other gaming companies, and a shitload more that I don't know about.

I'm sure your skills as a programmer/system admin will definitely be an asset. Your biggest disadvantage would probably be the fact you've just graduated and allot of companies are looking for real world experience with specialized skill sets and/or higher management positions. I have a friend in Vancouver who just graduated a system admin/ networking course from BCIT so I'll have to talk to him about how the job market is really looking over there. If not, I guess you could always move to India :lol: . This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem for the US. Everything is being outsourced out of the country isn't?

If you were considering any audio work Moonunit probably has it right. It all comes down to who ya know and how far down at the bottom your willing to start. (ya know we need a new assistant coffee delivery person :shock: )

Also, what specific programming languages are you most familiar with? Do you have any examples of your work available. Do you know Asp, SQL, VBScript, Java and any other internet programming?

Either way I would definitely encourage you to pursue. As far as working here you will definitely need a visa but checkout this link for much more in depth info....

http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/index.html

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Post by dockthepod » 06 Oct 2003, 23:59

jbessom wrote:yeah. agreed. I think a lot of people feel that way. problem is, shouldn't we try to make this country just as cool? we've got the resources, just seems like everyone is asleep at the wheel. having been to more progressive places socially, like vancouver B.C., and Amsterdam, NL......I can only imagine what it would be like if things were more like that here. and I just hate that "if you don't like it, leave" mentality. phew....maybe I should give up and leave.
i haven't been to vancouver, but i have been to the big A.... oooh, wild times.

at any rate, i'm really not that concerned about decriminalization of marijuana because, come on, is it really that big of a problem to get? sure it would be nice if it wasn't frowned upon by silly folk, but eventually i'd imagine that this silliness will solve itself as time goes on. how many people buy that propaganda bs the government is putting on tv? (non-americans -- we've got these nasty commercials that link pot with everything from terrorism to rape...)

that said, i like this country and hope the best for it. what i really deplore is the current administration with it's total disregard for international opinion as well as it's abhorrent domestic policies which favor the wealthy. sure i'd like to think that i have the power to change things, but realistically we are entrenched in a stupid two party system that leaves no room for any serious change (unless there is something out of the ordinary like the great depression... unfortunately it seems they used the most recent "out of the ordinary", 9/11, as an excuse to do whatever the fuck they wish)

ok, enough venting. i just sure as shit hope you don't have a new "governator" tomorrow. get out there and vote, dammit!

p.s., sorry for all the gratuitous swearing. hard to avoid it when you've got six of these in you. yay! first winter brew of the season!
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Re: IT in BC

Post by dockthepod » 07 Oct 2003, 00:47

dmethods wrote: Yeah I'm pretty sure you won't be disappointed coming up to Vancouver.
I think I'm going to check it out, pretty quick here. I'm considering heading up there for the Prefuse '73 concert on 10/24 (or 24/10, do you crazy kanucks do it the logical way, or the american way up there?)

dmethods wrote: I'm sure your skills as a programmer/system admin will definitely be an asset. Your biggest disadvantage would probably be the fact you've just graduated and allot of companies are looking for real world experience with specialized skill sets and/or higher management positions. I have a friend in Vancouver who just graduated a system admin/ networking course from BCIT so I'll have to talk to him about how the job market is really looking over there. If not, I guess you could always move to India :lol: . This is becoming a bigger and bigger problem for the US. Everything is being outsourced out of the country isn't?
yeah, no shit! i got a degree in CS, but have quite a bit of experience (well three or so years) as a linux/windows/hp-ux/solaris admin but even that doesn't seem to help. honestly, i'm rather sick of the whole admin thing, but like you said, it seems that no one wants to hire anyone without real world experience.
dmethods wrote: If you were considering any audio work Moonunit probably has it right. It all comes down to who ya know and how far down at the bottom your willing to start. (ya know we need a new assistant coffee delivery person :shock: )
Well... I have always wanted to get into audio as a profession, but rode it off as impractical. I've actually made money at this, being the ProTools guy at a radio station (a college station, but a good one: http:://www.kuoi.org) but thought it would be a really damn hard career to get into. Don't get me wrong, I didn't start computer science back in the day because it was the hot shit money making major... I really love it.
dmethods wrote: Also, what specific programming languages are you most familiar with? Do you have any examples of your work available. Do you know Asp, SQL, VBScript, Java and any other internet programming?
Haha, I screwed myself over in college. I decided that I would drop MS for good and never learned how to use any of their stuff. Besides my lack of using MS tools, I am quite handy will all of the Mac stuff, and extra handy with Linux programming (I've got down and dirty with the linux kernel here). I'm also fairly handy with Java. Of course, it seems like none of that matters because all that anyone hiring wants is someone with experience with VB.NET or similar bs. Oh well, I never got into this field to make money, just because I enjoy it. I'm happy I learned how to program because now I can code audio software for my own enjoyment.
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Post by Benny » 07 Oct 2003, 07:34

dockthepod wrote: ....when you've got six of these in you. yay! first winter brew of the season!
You'll do just fine in Canada my friend. :wink:

Cheers,
Benny

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