Airwindows AU plugins?

jrathkopf · Post by **jrathkopf** » 22 Aug 2007, 07:51

hi... i got permission from chrisj to sell plug i got. neverland
it is a Neve Console charactherization. its very good, but i recently bought Izotope Ozone 3, and so now this plug is a bit redundant for me.
paid $50, asking $35.
paypal only please.

Chris will put the new buyer on his email list so that you
can recieve all future updates.

(I also have hard vacuum which I have been debating to sell. I use it on a few of my tracks and it is really good on softsynths and drums for a subtle tube distortion fattening, but i have recently started using outboard tube gear for a more organic effect. so if someone is interested in both plugs, maybe we could work out a deal also)

i have to say though, that i love his plugs and i think he is a great vendor. verz helpful and on top of things.

pm if interested.

eeldip · Post by **eeldip** » 04 Sep 2007, 17:28

hey any other logic users having trouble saving your settings with airwindows plugs? you know, you set things just right. hit save, quit, come back and everything is back to 0?

tremolounge · Post by **tremolounge** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:18

eeldip wrote:hey any other logic users having trouble saving your settings with airwindows plugs? you know, you set things just right. hit save, quit, come back and everything is back to 0?

Yup.

willb · Post by **willb** » 04 Sep 2007, 18:25

Another concern I have with the airwindows line is that every parameter has the default type ("Gain"). It would be more useful if these were different for each parameter. However, they sure do sound nice.

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 04 Sep 2007, 19:53

I've had some concerns where I implemented stuff like logarithmic specially labelled controls that came up OK in AU Lab... and didn't work the same in Logic. Logic gives me a lot of headaches and makes me glad that I keep things to very reasonable prices, because you can't get too full of yourself when Logic is saying 'hey, check it out, I can make your users lose their settings!'

Ya know if I'm wrong about this and the setting-saving is NOT entirely up to how Logic feels that day I'd sure like to know about it as I'd go on an orgy of bugfixing, but I don't even have any code anywhere that says 'we're returning from a save, set the knob to this'. I wish I did, I'd fix it. I'm getting tired of seeing my users sad.

Willb: which one or ones do you have with the type as 'gain'? I know many of them are using the plain linear control from 0-1. The thing is, I _can_ change that. I can't be totally sure how all hosts will handle it but I should at least be able to alter the 'gain' label.

willb · Post by **willb** » 04 Sep 2007, 20:10

Chris: On "Drive," the Highpass and Output Level are both labeled "Gain" -- this might be what you want for Output, but probably not for Highpass. I see similar labeling in Density, Pressure, and Neverland. (I'm checking in Logic, Live, and AU Lab.)

The parameters in the speaker sims all seem to be labeled appropriately

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 04 Sep 2007, 21:52

It's on my to-do list man (as of 3 seconds ago). There might be a lot like that- anytime I worked only on the sound and range of the slider it ended up the default type. I agree that this needs to be relabelled.

hey, almost all of those were free which means I wouldn't have to do a massive email update and store revision!

I'm going to check back later and see if you're still here, this project just got WAY more immediate. There will still be massive-update-and-revision ones, unfortunately. But many of the ones you've mentioned could be done right away.

tremolounge · Post by **tremolounge** » 05 Sep 2007, 05:54

chrisj wrote:I've had some concerns where I implemented stuff like logarithmic specially labelled controls that came up OK in AU Lab... and didn't work the same in Logic. Logic gives me a lot of headaches and makes me glad that I keep things to very reasonable prices, because you can't get too full of yourself when Logic is saying 'hey, check it out, I can make your users lose their settings!'

Ya know if I'm wrong about this and the setting-saving is NOT entirely up to how Logic feels that day I'd sure like to know about it as I'd go on an orgy of bugfixing, but I don't even have any code anywhere that says 'we're returning from a save, set the knob to this'. I wish I did, I'd fix it. I'm getting tired of seeing my users sad.

Chris, I don't know exactly what you mean by all that, but... if you're saying it's Logic's fault... out of 280 AU plugins in my components folder, ONLY airwindows plugs revert to default settings when reopening a file. So... what does that mean?

Also, I've noticed that when I FIRST make an adjustment after instantiating an airwindows plug, some or all of the other sliders jump around at random... just the first time; after that they're OK.

tremolounge · Post by **tremolounge** » 05 Sep 2007, 06:05

I just tested a couple airwindows plugins in a Rax2 session -- the settings ARE saved and recalled just fine when closing a session (and quitting Rax), then reopening.

Same with Plogue Bidule -- settings recalled OK.

eeldip · Post by **eeldip** » 05 Sep 2007, 08:59

glad to know i am not alone.

by the way seeing as how these sound good and are free, i am by no means complaining!

however, if you are are using a "temp people with the free ones so they buy the $ ones" business model, not being able to save settings in logic is a roadblock.

chrisj · Post by **chrisj** » 05 Sep 2007, 19:58

tremolounge wrote:Chris, I don't know exactly what you mean by all that, but... if you're saying it's Logic's fault... out of 280 AU plugins in my components folder, ONLY airwindows plugs revert to default settings when reopening a file. So... what does that mean?

I don't know either but I'm working hard to find out. I have Logic Express, and it doesn't happen in Logic Express either, but I KNOW it happens in Logic and I'm working with some people at Apple- hopefully I can even get to the Logic team with this- to unravel what's happening.

I've learned that there is code in my AU templates to set settings- but I'm not supposed to be messing with it unless I'm overriding it. So I have to figure out what in the generic interface is being overlooked by Logic that it's not handling it correctly.

I might just have to get Logic and hope that it fails for me so I can debug this- it's tough when I don't have the system that's failing, but I'm not giving up, one way or another this will be resolved.

And actually I consider it a good thing that the $ ones are the same technology, because I do not WANT people to buy something that will not make them happy. If you are trying the free ones and issues are happening with Logic or anything (DP had issues of not initializing the variables in some versions) please don't rush out and get the pay ones- the free ones are there to test compatibility, and we're seeing with SOME Logic systems compatibility issues. This is exactly what the freeware base is for.

muleskinner · Post by **muleskinner** » 06 Sep 2007, 00:52

It might be worth checking exact system configurations as I have never noticed this problem with Logic 7.2.3 and I have several of Chris's plug-ins.

Maybe now I've just been forced to upgrade from 10.4.8 to 10.4.10 it'll manifest itself...

tremolounge · Post by **tremolounge** » 06 Sep 2007, 04:48

Yeah, definitely let us know, Muleskinner, if you start getting the problem with 10.4.10. Hmmm... I wonder if the last Pro Application Support update could have broken something...? I know this wasn't happening when I first started using airwindows plugs, but I have no idea what my exact system config was at that time...

I'm sure Chris will figure out the solution!

tremolounge · Post by **tremolounge** » 06 Sep 2007, 05:02

It probably isn't much help, but just to eliminate the variable -- I pulled everything out of my Components folder except my airwindows plugins, restarted Logic, opened a brand new session... and still get the settings not saved error.

gdoubleyou · Post by **gdoubleyou** » 06 Sep 2007, 12:54

I experienced some strangeness this weekend, while upgrading my system drive.

Any song that contained the airwindows plugs, would not play audio until I removed the plug. All audio on every track, meters would move and appear normal but no audio on any track would play.

I'm going to take a closer look this evening, I was curious about the settings not sticking, but I didn't expect no audio at all.