Nice Matrix Reverb from Apple

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r2d2
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Nice Matrix Reverb from Apple

Post by r2d2 » 23 Feb 2005, 06:00

To Anyone ;
Did you heard the Apple AU Matrix reveb?



Very low on cpu but sounds good ...
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lagowski
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Post by lagowski » 23 Feb 2005, 06:06

Yes, it's very nice. But reverb uses much in my CPU department, whichever company created the algorithms. I'm thinking about reverting to my Lexicon hardware.

r2d2
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AU Martix Reverb

Post by r2d2 » 23 Feb 2005, 06:23

On G4 Dual1.25 it uses two times power less than Space designer.
Presets are not interesting but if you go to program it is suprise...

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r2d2
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preset for reverb

Post by r2d2 » 23 Feb 2005, 16:31

Ok put those numbers like they are in places from top of the list.
100
50
0.0366
0.090
0.0010
0.0212
0.80
0.70
0.80
0.613
0.523
1.00
0.21
0.69
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Post by Erik Sojdelius » 23 Feb 2005, 16:42

Sounds great r2! Thnx for the tip, never tried it bfore. I now have a preset called r2d2 Dreamverb.

/Erik
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Post by cheeky b » 23 Feb 2005, 18:29

I know a few people who are quietly impressed with matrix. I reckon it would be taken far more seriously if it had a fancy GUI!
Logic, powercores, metric halo, midi stuff.

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Post by sodium glow » 23 Feb 2005, 20:01

What......where does one find this reverb?????
Logic Pro 7.1, Pro Tools TDM 6.4.1, OS 10.3.4, Dual 1ghz G4, 1.75 gig RAM, guitars, pres......

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Post by cheeky b » 23 Feb 2005, 20:21

It should be in your plug in list: Audio Units > apple> AUMatrixreverb
Logic, powercores, metric halo, midi stuff.

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Post by mohannad » 23 Feb 2005, 20:42

Wow, I've never even looked under this section of Plugins, very impressive indeed. It sounds really good and is very customizable.

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Post by mersisblue » 23 Feb 2005, 23:19

Ummm

My aumatrix is in the incompatable plugins list ??????????????
thanx mersisblue

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Post by CKLunar » 24 Feb 2005, 00:51

True it is better than the Platinum Reverb in Logic, but the Waves RVerb is better than either.

None of these plug-ins sound anything like a mid or high end Lexicon Reverb. The convolution based plug-ins are as close as you get, but they kill the sound, because the Lexicon reverbs use random processes in both the Early Reflections and the tail, which the convolution process can't capture. I have done many comparisons between my Lexicon PCM91 and Space Designer and there is quite a difference.

The interesting thing about decent reverb used properly, is that it gives you a very wide stereo image without the need to resort to spatial enhancers (I hate these, because they mess up carefully setup panning).

You can buy a TC Electronic M3000 for 699GBP in the UK, which gives you two VSS3 reverbs, which are at least as good as a 480L although with quite a different sound. Connected digitally to a DAW this is an interesting and cost effective alternative to plug-ins for reverb.

r2d2
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The best reverb hardware unit

Post by r2d2 » 24 Feb 2005, 01:28

Recently I found some samples for impulse response in Space Designer and it is EMT 250 Plate Reverb. I think it sounds very expensive. This is the favorite machine of Mr. Bruce Sweden that he uses for voice specially(Michael Jackson,Jennifer lopez,and so many others).
Lexicon 480 is very close with sound but this one is a litlle bit different.
TC reverb 6000 is nice for post production but his sound is very linear and cold.
Tails are really polished (heavy)like they saying but not dynamical and warm like lexicon 480L or 300. When you give a signal thru tc rev. make the test on lower levels on your monitoring and that will give the real sound picture.

Every unit sounds different at the main point of view.
Lexicon 300 is one of the best sounding hardware reverbs ever also
but I am very dissapointed because of 960L because it sounds differently.

When you give so much money for one unit I think everyone should use his own ears to judge the wright stuff. Advertisements are just a trick to make you think different from your really opinion.

Don't buy until you try all units for at least 15 days. It's a lot of money...

r2d2
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One preset more...

Post by r2d2 » 24 Feb 2005, 01:37

Here is one of my new presets for ambience ,enjoy ....javascript:emoticon(':D')
100
60
0.0388
0.094
0.0010
0.0245
0.45
0.45
0.17
0.694
0.820
0.69
0.32
1.00
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Post by r2d2 » 24 Feb 2005, 02:16

CKLunar wrote:True it is better than the Platinum Reverb in Logic, but the Waves RVerb is better than either.
Sorry, I tested it ,but waves RVerb is not better . Look at the tails how they are wavey and some resonance is hidden behind the filters when you open high eq it is obvious.
Test preset from above -DreamVerb- and take some large hall from Rverb and you will see how Matrix reverb have perfect tail and definition.
I am really suprised about this Apples litlle one when you listen of course, don't look at him,javascript:emoticon(':lol:')....

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Post by CKLunar » 24 Feb 2005, 04:11

I did some tests ages ago using my own "Hall" settings for Waves RVerb, but I didn't spend much time, so you could be right.

The high end TC Electronic Reverbs are incredibly flexible, as they have so many algorithms including a superb EMT 250 emulation, which as you say is great for vocals. The Reverb 4 algorithm gives a sound that seems to capture the warmth of the Lexicon units, but with it's own sounds. The VSS4 algorithms are superb when a room simulation is required, and work incredibly well on accoustic sounds. Consequently it is pretty hard to compare them with the Lexicon Reverbs, they are far more flexible. On the other hand if you want that Lexicon sound then only a Lexicon Reverb will produce it.

Given that Lexicon seem to have almost given up producing anything they should probably be considered vintage classics. My dealer told me that they sell loads of TC Electronic R6000 and almost no Lexicon 960L, I think this is unsurprising as the R6000 is much more flexible (I note that Hans Zimmer has 2!).

By the way if you download the manuals for the Lexicon 960L they give some useful information on what the presets were designed for, which you can then match with the Space Designer presets making them a little more useful.

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